Exploring the human relationship to change, growth & development.

The Story of Change is a monthly hour-long show hosted by Rod Francis, initially broadcast the fourth Sunday of each month on National Public Radio (WUTC) and then available here to listen to at your leisure.


About the Story of Change

The Story of Change is free ranging exploration of all things related to the topic of change. Everything from what it takes for us to grow and transform individually, how to successfully negotiate change, all the way through to how change manifests socially, in communities, organizations, corporations and nations. And let’s not stop there, even widening out the conversation at times to explore how change occurs and its impact on a global scale.

Hosted by Rod Francis, the program weaves expert opinion such as academics, researchers, thought leaders and spiritual teachers with cross-cultural perspectives and remarkable stories of change from everyday folk, blending the magical and the mundane into a rich, evocative tapestry of learning and discovery. Rod’s aim is that the stories themselves speak their own meta-tale of what change means for us as humans including how we might successfully implement and navigate it.


Listen to the show

Below you'll find our show archive for you to listen in at your convenience following broadcast on WUTC NPR. The most recent two episodes are at the top and below that you'll see a list of the others.


Episode Seventeen

I'm talking with my colleague and friend Ray Basset about his extraordinary multi-decade career in national broadcasting including how the move from analogue to digital has impacted on broadcast media. Ray is host and producer of Scenic Roots on WUTC following two decades in New York with CBS and the Associated Press, one of which was as executive producer for the late broadcast legend, Charles Osgood.


Episode Sixteen

In the final episode of our Trail of Tears series we now speak with Dr Brad Lieb, Director of Chickasaw Archaeology at the Dept. of Culture and Humanities of the Chickasaw Nation of Oklahoma. We hear much about the richness of Chicasaw life and culture prior to European arrival, how the incomers impacted on life, culture and survival and also about the extraordinary capacity of the Chicasaw people to adapt and flourish under such terrible circumstances.

All Episodes

New episodes will automatically load in the player to the right following broadcast. Listen live on the third Sunday of every month on US National Public Radio (NPR) station WUTC or search us on your favorite podcasting service below to listen in after broadcast or to find all our previous episodes.

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Or listen in live on NPR on the fourth Sunday of each month on 88.1 WUTC.

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